Daughter in the Basement
Homestuck and That Emotion Called Friendship

I started reading Homestuck recently. I’ve been meaning to for years, but after a song got stuck in my head from Broadway Karkat, I decided I’d finally go through the comic. It’s a really good story, though trying to figure out how all the time loops work is an ordeal and a half.

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Hiccup’s Liar Revealed

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So I recently watched Nostalgic Critic’s Dreamworks-uary of How To Train Your Dragon. What he said was true, there’s a lot of possibly very annoying cliches in HTTYD, but they all seem to work. I honestly adore this movie. It’s been a bit of an obsession of mine and it led to me watching Rise of the Guardians in the first place. There’s just something about this movie that makes everything work.

But for now, I just wanted to look at one aspect; the Liar Revealed. And why it works so brilliantly in How To Train Your Dragon where it might be so annoying in other pieces.

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Daughter in the Basement: The Fridge Horror of Dannielle Phantom

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It’s amazing how disturbing Danny Phantom can be when you think about the implications of what happened. In my personal opinion, I think Kindred Spirits and D-Stabilized are perhaps the most disturbing.

The episodes include child abuse, death,…

Hmmm, upon closer investigation, it’s nothing that Vlad says, but what Danny says, which makes it a bit less official, haha. He says to Danielle at one point, “You’re not mindless, like those other clones.”

So, it’s not straight from the mouth of the man who made them, but one of the clones did overshadow Danny and there is often some mental overlap that both parties maintain afterwards, so he might know exactly how ‘mindless’ that clone was first-hand. Either way, that line is still a pretty unfortunate implication, because the clones obviously start out not ‘mindless’ at all, which means Vlad might have done something to them (i.e. icepick lobotomies that do more to destroy the mind than fix it) to make them that way. 

Ah, okay. I was wondering if you meant that.

I have often wondered about that line. There’s what Danny says, but then there’s how the clones act. We do know they can all talk. The big one seems just like a brute, but then there’s bones. He understands that he needs Danny to change back for their goal, but he has no means to get the DNA. So wouldn’t it seem like he just observed the Maddie program saying that and knew the conclusion? And why WAS he wearing a bedsheet? Was it Vlad who decided that, or was it the boy who wanted that? And then there’s the moment when the melty one dies. He looked afraid. He knew what fate was coming.

It always made me question if they WERE mindless or Danny simply ASSUMED that because of their monstrous appearance and the fact they just attacked.

We’ve seen what overshadowing does. No one remembers what happens to them while overshadowed. And both Vlad and Danny have overshadowed Jack and despite Jack being the ONLY HUMAN we’ve ever seen even resist an overshadowing, he didn’t remember anything about who had overshadowed him. He just knew he was. Though he IS a halfa, so maybe it’s different. We’ve never addressed what a halfa remembers while overshadowed and we’ve only seen it a few times.

There is some mental influence from an overshadowing, but the clone would have only had one command. ‘Transform.’ What did Danny do? He transformed as soon as it was safe to do so.

And there’s the fact the clone had the will to make Danny actually fight. We already know Halfas are rather strong at resisting ghost controls. COULD something mindless really given him that much fight? Even with the torture device helping it.

I just find myself wondering if they weren’t so much mindless as not as smart as Danielle. Some mental deficiencies before of their deformities. Maybe even the fact they were dissolving faster affected their intelligence.

But I do always find it hard to believe they were always as non-sentient as Danny said. And wondering if he just said it because he didn’t want to realize what he’d actually just done.

The Fridge Horror of Dannielle Phantom

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It’s amazing how disturbing Danny Phantom can be when you think about the implications of what happened. In my personal opinion, I think Kindred Spirits and D-Stabilized are perhaps the most disturbing.

The episodes include child abuse, death, torture, and so much more.

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Just adding on to the fridge horror of the clones in general: Vlad implies that there were actually dozens of clones that came before the five that we saw, dozens of lives that Vlad created, before they all died, presumably of instability.

He also implies that almost all of the clones were lobotomized, born sentient but then somehow operated on or otherwise changed to become mindless, obedient drones. Danni and (presumably) the prime clone may have been among the few, or the only, exceptions.

He did pretty strongly imply that there were a number before the five we saw. Maybe even hundreds since that’s the number he used.

But where did you get he lobotomized them? I didn’t see him mention anything like that in either episode.

The Fridge Horror of Dannielle Phantom

It’s amazing how disturbing Danny Phantom can be when you think about the implications of what happened. In my personal opinion, I think Kindred Spirits and D-Stabilized are perhaps the most disturbing.

The episodes include child abuse, death, torture, and so much more.

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So I think I’ll do the Dani character analysis next. Which may be broken into parts because I could talk about this girl all day.
I also encourage any asks or theories people might want to throw out before or while I’m doing this. (Though my askbox is always open for any sort of questions on things I write about.)
But first off, I just want to point out a fact and pose a question. To point in which direction I’m going for in Dani’s character analysis.
In Kindred Spirits, up until Vlad shows up, almost everything out of Dani’s mouth is a bold faced lie. She knows it’s a bold faced lie. Yet she says it all with ease and a smile on her face.
So the question is, what is going through Dani’s mind during that time?

So I think I’ll do the Dani character analysis next. Which may be broken into parts because I could talk about this girl all day.

I also encourage any asks or theories people might want to throw out before or while I’m doing this. (Though my askbox is always open for any sort of questions on things I write about.)

But first off, I just want to point out a fact and pose a question. To point in which direction I’m going for in Dani’s character analysis.

In Kindred Spirits, up until Vlad shows up, almost everything out of Dani’s mouth is a bold faced lie. She knows it’s a bold faced lie. Yet she says it all with ease and a smile on her face.

So the question is, what is going through Dani’s mind during that time?

I’ll probably do a proper character analysis on Danielle later, but I still wanted to do a little bit on her now.
I know a lot of people don’t like her, call her a canon sue and other such things. However, I’ve never saw her this way. I can see why some people would. She fulfills the usual traits of the DP Mary Sues. She’s a half ghost, connected to Danny, connected to Vlad, has a female version of Danny’s name. But really, when you get down to it, there’s a lot of characters who sound like mary sues on paper and the what makes them not is execution.
Dani is literally Danny’s clone. The similarities in appearance are deliberate, and the name is not her choice, but instead Vlad’s. Vlad is obsessed with Danny, so of course she’d end up with the female version of the name. This isn’t lazy story convention, but instead a sign of Vlad’s own psychosis and obsession. He would be trying to make her as close as possible, because getting Danny is his whole motive.
And female clones have been a thing in superhero comic books, which Danny Phantom gets a lot of inspiration from. It’s just another trope.
Every mary sue trait is from Vlad, not Dani. Every similarity and her existence is just a sign of how far Vlad has lost it, which they had been building. Even in the story itself they make it clear how much Vlad had blinded himself.
He says he wants love. This is true. Unfortunately he only sees one way to do this anymore, which is to take Maddie and Danny for his own. He couldn’t see the little girl who was more than willing to love him. He wasn’t even letting himself see her as human.
Another thing that’s common in mary sue stories is that the heroes are oddly trusting of the character. Letting them in too much, not questioning their origins enough. This isn’t so with Dani. Danny is suspicious of her, even when she’s human. At first, he’s not overly concerned because he thinks she’s a human little girl. He feeds her because she ran away from home and was probably hungry. Danny is a good kid, this is a natural first step. It’s also a moment that let’s us see them bond for a few moments over things they like.
Then he’s immediately dragging her to his parents because he still doesn’t really know who this girl is. Of course she runs, and he goes after her. He discovers she’s a halfa! And what does he do? He asks what’s up with that, but then she ‘passes out.’ Again, Danny is a good kid and he’s confused, but he can’t ignore this girl. Not only would it be cruel, but there’s too many questions to let her go. He just doesn’t think about her leaving because…well, Danny isn’t known for his foresight.
Even when he runs into her again, he’s rather quick to question who she is. Except a ghost comes through and he has to deal with that. Sure he has a little fun, but at no point does Danny show just blind acceptance of her. He’s questioning her the whole time, he wants to know what’s up, but things keep distracting him. Probably all deliberate moves on Dani and Vlad’s part.
The only time he truly takes a chance to ‘trust’ her is when he’s hardpressed. She helped him before, maybe she will again, but it’s not like he has much choice in the matter. She wasn’t a bigger threat than Vlad.
Plus, she was a little girl. Perhaps half ghost, but she was still twelve. By this point Danny had only encountered two ‘kids’ in his own battles, and one was from an alternate future attacking him for justifiable reasons. And it’s pretty obvious Youngblood mostly just wants to play games. Neither one are put into the same threat level of Vlad.
And later, he even asks about her helping him. He knows by this point she will, but it’s still a shot. It acknowledges the fact Danny knows he shouldn’t have trusted her then. But while he’s WILLING to trust her and he cares for her deeply, his trust is still shakey at best.
In D-Stabilized, Danny is accusatory when Valerie mentions Dani being a bait and he looks at Dani. He doesn’t assume she didn’t know, he assumed she DID. He assumed Dani was out to capture her until he was corrected.
Even Valerie is cold to her when she finds out she’s a ghost. When she’s just a human girl? She shows concern about a little girl whose about to be in the middle of a fight with a ghost. Valerie is the one who knows best how much collateral damage can happen in a ghost fight. She doesn’t want a little girl involved with that. It’s only after Danny drives it home that she’s a little girl too that Valerie chooses to listen to her better self. Is she a ghost? Yes, but she saw she was human. Even if she didn’t understand it, she couldn’t do that to a little girl. It was about what Dani was, not Dani herself. If this was any other little girl, Valerie would do the same.
As for Vlad? Well, we already know he’s a bit off his rocker. He wasn’t being cruel to Dani because she was oh so special. It was simply because she was a tool to be used. She wasn’t perfect, she couldn’t be a ‘real’ person yet. She was just a part of an experiment. He never acknowledged her as human. He probably wasn’t even looking for her, Dani was just paranoid he was. And when he saw her, that’s when he went after her. He never even went out of his way, he just thought to use what he could use when it was there.
It’s probably why he wasn’t all that concerned when he lost. It wasn’t a grand scheme. It was more a whim. It was better to not lose the valuable piece of Valerie on a whim, so he accepted the loss rather graciously. Ultimately, Dani was of no consequence to him.
When Dani is there, there’s a story around her, but she doesn’t truly take over. There’s other struggles involved, only adding a new dimension to them. There’s more strife between Vlad and Danny over their views on her, and she forces Valerie and Danny to work together because of the greater good they both see. She moves others along. Kindred Spirits if the episode where Vlad truly and utterly snaps. He was doing a desperate ploy and to have it fail makes him really lose it. Even in D-Stabilized, if it had been used EARLIER in the season and the elements explored more, it could have had interesting elements. Valerie knowing about halfas, knowing about Vlad. Even without Dani involved, it would have been interesting to see that truly explored.
Then there’s her own character, but I’ll get into that more later.

I’ll probably do a proper character analysis on Danielle later, but I still wanted to do a little bit on her now.

I know a lot of people don’t like her, call her a canon sue and other such things. However, I’ve never saw her this way. I can see why some people would. She fulfills the usual traits of the DP Mary Sues. She’s a half ghost, connected to Danny, connected to Vlad, has a female version of Danny’s name. But really, when you get down to it, there’s a lot of characters who sound like mary sues on paper and the what makes them not is execution.

Dani is literally Danny’s clone. The similarities in appearance are deliberate, and the name is not her choice, but instead Vlad’s. Vlad is obsessed with Danny, so of course she’d end up with the female version of the name. This isn’t lazy story convention, but instead a sign of Vlad’s own psychosis and obsession. He would be trying to make her as close as possible, because getting Danny is his whole motive.

And female clones have been a thing in superhero comic books, which Danny Phantom gets a lot of inspiration from. It’s just another trope.

Every mary sue trait is from Vlad, not Dani. Every similarity and her existence is just a sign of how far Vlad has lost it, which they had been building. Even in the story itself they make it clear how much Vlad had blinded himself.

He says he wants love. This is true. Unfortunately he only sees one way to do this anymore, which is to take Maddie and Danny for his own. He couldn’t see the little girl who was more than willing to love him. He wasn’t even letting himself see her as human.

Another thing that’s common in mary sue stories is that the heroes are oddly trusting of the character. Letting them in too much, not questioning their origins enough. This isn’t so with Dani. Danny is suspicious of her, even when she’s human. At first, he’s not overly concerned because he thinks she’s a human little girl. He feeds her because she ran away from home and was probably hungry. Danny is a good kid, this is a natural first step. It’s also a moment that let’s us see them bond for a few moments over things they like.

Then he’s immediately dragging her to his parents because he still doesn’t really know who this girl is. Of course she runs, and he goes after her. He discovers she’s a halfa! And what does he do? He asks what’s up with that, but then she ‘passes out.’ Again, Danny is a good kid and he’s confused, but he can’t ignore this girl. Not only would it be cruel, but there’s too many questions to let her go. He just doesn’t think about her leaving because…well, Danny isn’t known for his foresight.

Even when he runs into her again, he’s rather quick to question who she is. Except a ghost comes through and he has to deal with that. Sure he has a little fun, but at no point does Danny show just blind acceptance of her. He’s questioning her the whole time, he wants to know what’s up, but things keep distracting him. Probably all deliberate moves on Dani and Vlad’s part.

The only time he truly takes a chance to ‘trust’ her is when he’s hardpressed. She helped him before, maybe she will again, but it’s not like he has much choice in the matter. She wasn’t a bigger threat than Vlad.

Plus, she was a little girl. Perhaps half ghost, but she was still twelve. By this point Danny had only encountered two ‘kids’ in his own battles, and one was from an alternate future attacking him for justifiable reasons. And it’s pretty obvious Youngblood mostly just wants to play games. Neither one are put into the same threat level of Vlad.

And later, he even asks about her helping him. He knows by this point she will, but it’s still a shot. It acknowledges the fact Danny knows he shouldn’t have trusted her then. But while he’s WILLING to trust her and he cares for her deeply, his trust is still shakey at best.

In D-Stabilized, Danny is accusatory when Valerie mentions Dani being a bait and he looks at Dani. He doesn’t assume she didn’t know, he assumed she DID. He assumed Dani was out to capture her until he was corrected.

Even Valerie is cold to her when she finds out she’s a ghost. When she’s just a human girl? She shows concern about a little girl whose about to be in the middle of a fight with a ghost. Valerie is the one who knows best how much collateral damage can happen in a ghost fight. She doesn’t want a little girl involved with that. It’s only after Danny drives it home that she’s a little girl too that Valerie chooses to listen to her better self. Is she a ghost? Yes, but she saw she was human. Even if she didn’t understand it, she couldn’t do that to a little girl. It was about what Dani was, not Dani herself. If this was any other little girl, Valerie would do the same.

As for Vlad? Well, we already know he’s a bit off his rocker. He wasn’t being cruel to Dani because she was oh so special. It was simply because she was a tool to be used. She wasn’t perfect, she couldn’t be a ‘real’ person yet. She was just a part of an experiment. He never acknowledged her as human. He probably wasn’t even looking for her, Dani was just paranoid he was. And when he saw her, that’s when he went after her. He never even went out of his way, he just thought to use what he could use when it was there.

It’s probably why he wasn’t all that concerned when he lost. It wasn’t a grand scheme. It was more a whim. It was better to not lose the valuable piece of Valerie on a whim, so he accepted the loss rather graciously. Ultimately, Dani was of no consequence to him.

When Dani is there, there’s a story around her, but she doesn’t truly take over. There’s other struggles involved, only adding a new dimension to them. There’s more strife between Vlad and Danny over their views on her, and she forces Valerie and Danny to work together because of the greater good they both see. She moves others along. Kindred Spirits if the episode where Vlad truly and utterly snaps. He was doing a desperate ploy and to have it fail makes him really lose it. Even in D-Stabilized, if it had been used EARLIER in the season and the elements explored more, it could have had interesting elements. Valerie knowing about halfas, knowing about Vlad. Even without Dani involved, it would have been interesting to see that truly explored.

Then there’s her own character, but I’ll get into that more later.

It’s an exchange we hear often:
"You did it!" "No, we did it."
Or even just the line:
"I couldn’t have done it without you."
Usually it’s said after our hero has done some great and amazing feat and saved the day. The person who supported them in some way congratulates them and they respond like that. So often we hear this line, but I’ve been thinking, how often do we believe it? How often do we truly believe our hero could not have done it without that person’s help? Maybe they wouldn’t do it the same way, but they could have managed somehow.
Often times there’s a message of ‘believing in yourself’ in the story. You’re capable, just be confident! Which brings me to the movie Rise of the Guardians and this concept of belief.
Is there the message of believing in yourself? Yes, there is. It’s obvious. But then I thought about it, and I wondered, is that the only message of belief?
Which brings me back to those lines that always seem cheesy and almost unnecessary. Not that it goes without saying, but the fact it seems like that person wasn’t truly needed. Except they probably were. If it was a real world situation, they would be.
There is a part of belief that most stories never touch on. There’s a million and one stories about how people need to believe in themselves. How many stories are there that say people need others to believe in them?
The closest I can think of is stories where there’s a lesson where families and friends should support each other, but that’s more a message on being there for the family. Rarely is it connected to the story of the person believing in themselves as well and even less often that the two are made directly connected.
This is not so with Rise of the Guardians. This is a story of belief, but in all kinds. Belief in yourself, belief in the childish things that brighten the world, but also the need for others to believe in you.
The Guardians are powerless without belief. They need the children to believe. If not, they literally cannot do anything. Sure, it’s an interesting story concept, but it’s also a very real lesson.
Look at what some of the Guardians represent. There is Wonder, Dreams, and Hope. These are concepts that would often lead to our Future. The things we want to do with our lives, the things we wonder about to lead to our hopes and dreams.
There’s a thing about hopes and dreams and how we achieve them: We cannot do it alone. Ever. Even if some people might delude themselves that they can, it’s not so. At some point, someone has to believe in you. Either it’s to trust you can do this job, to buy a product you made, whatever. Rarely is a dream something along the lines of living in a cave in a mountain totally isolated from the world. There is a desire for a good and comfortable life. A life of adventure. Fame and fortune. Love. Making these things possible on your own is impossible.
Even Memories and Fun are a part of this. In the low points of our lives, when we doubt what we’re doing, it’s the memories of those who support us who will often move us forward. On our own, it’s easy to give up. If we only had to answer to ourselves, it’s too easy to fall prey to excuses not to do something. The lessons and support of our loved ones is more likely to compel us then things we learned ourselves. As for fun, a part of fun is being able to embrace it fully and share it with others. If someone has to hide what they find fun, it’s more likely to become a source of shame. If we can talk to others about it, it’s so easy to embrace it.
And fear is what could prevent us from following through on these things. That is why support is necessary. As I said, on our own, we can stop because we only answer to ourselves. If something scares us, then why do it? Knowing there are others to help and support us through something, even if it goes badly, can give us the bravery we need to keep going.
It doesn’t matter who it is. The children, family, friends. For someone to believe in us is an important thing. A fact that is not acknowledged often.
On our own, we are weak and doomed to fail, but to have someone believe in us, to support us, and we can achieve great feats. We can fulfill our hopes and dreams, we can overcome our fear, and we can enjoy our lives to the fullest.
Not once did Jack have to say ‘I couldn’t have done it without you.’ Instead he said that Jamie was a Guardian too. Because it was true. To believe gave him the power he needed, just like the power of the Guardians gave the children what they needed for life.
Support that was necessary, and without a doubt, the Guardians would have failed without that belief. Just like everyone needs to be believed in for their own lives.

It’s an exchange we hear often:

"You did it!" "No, we did it."

Or even just the line:

"I couldn’t have done it without you."

Usually it’s said after our hero has done some great and amazing feat and saved the day. The person who supported them in some way congratulates them and they respond like that. So often we hear this line, but I’ve been thinking, how often do we believe it? How often do we truly believe our hero could not have done it without that person’s help? Maybe they wouldn’t do it the same way, but they could have managed somehow.

Often times there’s a message of ‘believing in yourself’ in the story. You’re capable, just be confident! Which brings me to the movie Rise of the Guardians and this concept of belief.

Is there the message of believing in yourself? Yes, there is. It’s obvious. But then I thought about it, and I wondered, is that the only message of belief?

Which brings me back to those lines that always seem cheesy and almost unnecessary. Not that it goes without saying, but the fact it seems like that person wasn’t truly needed. Except they probably were. If it was a real world situation, they would be.

There is a part of belief that most stories never touch on. There’s a million and one stories about how people need to believe in themselves. How many stories are there that say people need others to believe in them?

The closest I can think of is stories where there’s a lesson where families and friends should support each other, but that’s more a message on being there for the family. Rarely is it connected to the story of the person believing in themselves as well and even less often that the two are made directly connected.

This is not so with Rise of the Guardians. This is a story of belief, but in all kinds. Belief in yourself, belief in the childish things that brighten the world, but also the need for others to believe in you.

The Guardians are powerless without belief. They need the children to believe. If not, they literally cannot do anything. Sure, it’s an interesting story concept, but it’s also a very real lesson.

Look at what some of the Guardians represent. There is Wonder, Dreams, and Hope. These are concepts that would often lead to our Future. The things we want to do with our lives, the things we wonder about to lead to our hopes and dreams.

There’s a thing about hopes and dreams and how we achieve them: We cannot do it alone. Ever. Even if some people might delude themselves that they can, it’s not so. At some point, someone has to believe in you. Either it’s to trust you can do this job, to buy a product you made, whatever. Rarely is a dream something along the lines of living in a cave in a mountain totally isolated from the world. There is a desire for a good and comfortable life. A life of adventure. Fame and fortune. Love. Making these things possible on your own is impossible.

Even Memories and Fun are a part of this. In the low points of our lives, when we doubt what we’re doing, it’s the memories of those who support us who will often move us forward. On our own, it’s easy to give up. If we only had to answer to ourselves, it’s too easy to fall prey to excuses not to do something. The lessons and support of our loved ones is more likely to compel us then things we learned ourselves. As for fun, a part of fun is being able to embrace it fully and share it with others. If someone has to hide what they find fun, it’s more likely to become a source of shame. If we can talk to others about it, it’s so easy to embrace it.

And fear is what could prevent us from following through on these things. That is why support is necessary. As I said, on our own, we can stop because we only answer to ourselves. If something scares us, then why do it? Knowing there are others to help and support us through something, even if it goes badly, can give us the bravery we need to keep going.

It doesn’t matter who it is. The children, family, friends. For someone to believe in us is an important thing. A fact that is not acknowledged often.

On our own, we are weak and doomed to fail, but to have someone believe in us, to support us, and we can achieve great feats. We can fulfill our hopes and dreams, we can overcome our fear, and we can enjoy our lives to the fullest.

Not once did Jack have to say ‘I couldn’t have done it without you.’ Instead he said that Jamie was a Guardian too. Because it was true. To believe gave him the power he needed, just like the power of the Guardians gave the children what they needed for life.

Support that was necessary, and without a doubt, the Guardians would have failed without that belief. Just like everyone needs to be believed in for their own lives.

I will freely admit that I had misjudged Adventure Time. For the longest time, I thought it was in the vein of most cartoon shows, just being a random show of no real value. I didn’t watch anything more than a few random clips.
However, I did realize early on that maybe it wasn’t lacking complete value. The first real episode I ever saw was Holly Jolly Secrets. The first part fit into what I thought of it for the most part, but then there was those last few minutes. It was such a sad and unexpected story, especially after seeing Ice King act so crazy and weird before.
It wasn’t enough to get me hooked, but it was enough to improve my opinion of the show.
The next show I saw was What Was Missing. Again, a lot fit into that random humor, but then Marceline sang her song. By this point, I didn’t know anything about Marceline except she was a vampire and she was a rock star of some form. Again, Adventure Time surprised me because in all this random humor, there was this moment of absolute heartbreak. Namely in the line ‘so why do I want to?’ Despite the fact she didn’t feel like she was in the wrong, she wanted to apologize so they didn’t have to keep fighting.
Perhaps I will talk about that in more detail another time as I get to the real subject of this post.
By this point, I had developed some respect for Adventure Time. Did it have random, weird humor? Yes. However it also had times where there was true heart and brilliant writing. It hadn’t been enough to make me watch the show, but at least I could see why people loved it.
Then I saw my third episode of Adventure Time.
I’m sure all of you know which one that one was. A friend of mine linked to it and I thought I had a little time to kill, so I watched it. Maybe I’d get a laugh, maybe I’d hear a cool song, no big deal. I knew there was a chance for something heartfelt, but surely nothing that big.
Safe to say, I was wrong.
It had been long enough from Holly Jolly Secrets that I hadn’t realized what was about to happen from the title image. I thought it was a reference to some musician when the Ice King started talking about music. Only when he went to The Past Room did I wonder if they were going to do something with Simon.
I didn’t know if Marceline or the Ice King had previous interaction, I didn’t know exactly how old Marceline was, I didn’t know about the war. I had no means to know what was going to happen until the reveal happened.
I don’t think a cartoon has ever made me cry so much. I knew there was heartfelt and emotional, but never did I except such an attack on my emotions from Adventure Time. I don’t think I ever truly expect it from any media directed towards children.
I found myself thinking of all the times I’d seen amnesia in a show directed towards kids. Most often, it’s done for laughs. Sometimes it’s used for people to trick or mislead someone for the more serious shows.
Sometimes they do treat it as something sad.
But never did have I seen a show treat it like Adventure Time did. I don’t think even a lot of movies or shows directly dealing Alzheimer’s has treated it like Adventure Time.
I don’t mean in it involving a vampire and an ice wizard, with humor, or song. Instead in how they have Marceline act.
From what I’ve seen in how media deals with Alzheimer’s, there’s usually a fair amount of people either giving up on the person, or being infinitely patient with the person. Often times they just play along with what they say, tell lies to not break their delusions, and maybe we would see their sadness when they’re alone.
Marceline is neither of these. Marceline has a temper and doesn’t know how to stop herself from getting mad. Marceline is also someone who cares about others deeply. Marceline is, basically, very much like a teenager in her mindset.
Speaking as a teenager who has dealt with a loved one suffering from something akin to Alzheimer, I’m not surprised by how much that episode just hurt. Marceline did not act like the grown up child, the true love, or even just loyal friend. Marceline acted like a normal person would, especially for that age.
She was kind, she was understanding, she was patient. There was a sort of resigned air to her, because she knows she has to be. But there was anger, there was frustration.
There is always anger and frustration. For both parties. We even see it in the Ice King, during his freak out. He knows there is something wrong, but he doesn’t understand what it is. He hates it. So he lashed out, by attacking the ceiling, only stopping when some part of him realized he was going too far in pushing Marceline. Then he wanted to run away.
This is a very real reaction. Sometimes it’s a naive daze, but there are times where there is just the sense of ‘wrong’ and that person will lash out like the Ice King did. Really, Marceline was lucky a part of him realized attacking her was crossing the line. This is not always the case.
It’s a sign of being recognized, but to still not be remembered, it was only normal for Marceline to break. It’s too much at that point. She was angry and desperate. Anything for a sign of the man who took care of her.
Yet this anger only exists because of the sadness. By the time she was singing, she had remembered this. There was no one to be mad at, it wasn’t the Ice King’s fault. She couldn’t blame him for what he couldn’t help. That didn’t fix the pain in her heart.
All that was left was to sing and cry. Because in the end, there was nothing she could do. She couldn’t save Simon and she knew that. As much as she didn’t want it to be true. To the point she tries to avoid him because she knows the pain will never go away. To the point where she goes ‘no’ when she sees him because she knows. She knows that this will only break her heart.
Yet she can’t help, but want him around anyway. As painful as she knows it will be, she still loves him, and it’s impossible to always avoid those we love.
It was a powerful episode. Despite it’s context, the reactions were brutally realistic. I don’t think this show would have even gotten past the radar if it didn’t involve a vampire, an ice wizard, and a magic crown. Which makes me sad in a way because there was just something so relieving to see that situation portrayed so realistically. To have something hit so close to home helped to soothe the pain, to know that others really did feel the same way.
Even know, I’m not sure what I hope more for Adventure Time. A part of me doesn’t want the Ice King to remember, because at this time, such a thing can’t happen in real life. It’s sad, but it’s real.
But another part of me wants to see the Ice King be able to remember Marceline again, for them to have a happy ending that. Because it can’t happen in real life. And sometimes it’s nice to see that fantasy happen, even if it’s only in stories.
Either way, I’ll still be watching Adventure Time. It’s not often that there’s a series that respects kids enough to know that they might still run into the problems of real life, even if TV won’t show it to them.

I will freely admit that I had misjudged Adventure Time. For the longest time, I thought it was in the vein of most cartoon shows, just being a random show of no real value. I didn’t watch anything more than a few random clips.

However, I did realize early on that maybe it wasn’t lacking complete value. The first real episode I ever saw was Holly Jolly Secrets. The first part fit into what I thought of it for the most part, but then there was those last few minutes. It was such a sad and unexpected story, especially after seeing Ice King act so crazy and weird before.

It wasn’t enough to get me hooked, but it was enough to improve my opinion of the show.

The next show I saw was What Was Missing. Again, a lot fit into that random humor, but then Marceline sang her song. By this point, I didn’t know anything about Marceline except she was a vampire and she was a rock star of some form. Again, Adventure Time surprised me because in all this random humor, there was this moment of absolute heartbreak. Namely in the line ‘so why do I want to?’ Despite the fact she didn’t feel like she was in the wrong, she wanted to apologize so they didn’t have to keep fighting.

Perhaps I will talk about that in more detail another time as I get to the real subject of this post.

By this point, I had developed some respect for Adventure Time. Did it have random, weird humor? Yes. However it also had times where there was true heart and brilliant writing. It hadn’t been enough to make me watch the show, but at least I could see why people loved it.

Then I saw my third episode of Adventure Time.

I’m sure all of you know which one that one was. A friend of mine linked to it and I thought I had a little time to kill, so I watched it. Maybe I’d get a laugh, maybe I’d hear a cool song, no big deal. I knew there was a chance for something heartfelt, but surely nothing that big.

Safe to say, I was wrong.

It had been long enough from Holly Jolly Secrets that I hadn’t realized what was about to happen from the title image. I thought it was a reference to some musician when the Ice King started talking about music. Only when he went to The Past Room did I wonder if they were going to do something with Simon.

I didn’t know if Marceline or the Ice King had previous interaction, I didn’t know exactly how old Marceline was, I didn’t know about the war. I had no means to know what was going to happen until the reveal happened.

I don’t think a cartoon has ever made me cry so much. I knew there was heartfelt and emotional, but never did I except such an attack on my emotions from Adventure Time. I don’t think I ever truly expect it from any media directed towards children.

I found myself thinking of all the times I’d seen amnesia in a show directed towards kids. Most often, it’s done for laughs. Sometimes it’s used for people to trick or mislead someone for the more serious shows.

Sometimes they do treat it as something sad.

But never did have I seen a show treat it like Adventure Time did. I don’t think even a lot of movies or shows directly dealing Alzheimer’s has treated it like Adventure Time.

I don’t mean in it involving a vampire and an ice wizard, with humor, or song. Instead in how they have Marceline act.

From what I’ve seen in how media deals with Alzheimer’s, there’s usually a fair amount of people either giving up on the person, or being infinitely patient with the person. Often times they just play along with what they say, tell lies to not break their delusions, and maybe we would see their sadness when they’re alone.

Marceline is neither of these. Marceline has a temper and doesn’t know how to stop herself from getting mad. Marceline is also someone who cares about others deeply. Marceline is, basically, very much like a teenager in her mindset.

Speaking as a teenager who has dealt with a loved one suffering from something akin to Alzheimer, I’m not surprised by how much that episode just hurt. Marceline did not act like the grown up child, the true love, or even just loyal friend. Marceline acted like a normal person would, especially for that age.

She was kind, she was understanding, she was patient. There was a sort of resigned air to her, because she knows she has to be. But there was anger, there was frustration.

There is always anger and frustration. For both parties. We even see it in the Ice King, during his freak out. He knows there is something wrong, but he doesn’t understand what it is. He hates it. So he lashed out, by attacking the ceiling, only stopping when some part of him realized he was going too far in pushing Marceline. Then he wanted to run away.

This is a very real reaction. Sometimes it’s a naive daze, but there are times where there is just the sense of ‘wrong’ and that person will lash out like the Ice King did. Really, Marceline was lucky a part of him realized attacking her was crossing the line. This is not always the case.

It’s a sign of being recognized, but to still not be remembered, it was only normal for Marceline to break. It’s too much at that point. She was angry and desperate. Anything for a sign of the man who took care of her.

Yet this anger only exists because of the sadness. By the time she was singing, she had remembered this. There was no one to be mad at, it wasn’t the Ice King’s fault. She couldn’t blame him for what he couldn’t help. That didn’t fix the pain in her heart.

All that was left was to sing and cry. Because in the end, there was nothing she could do. She couldn’t save Simon and she knew that. As much as she didn’t want it to be true. To the point she tries to avoid him because she knows the pain will never go away. To the point where she goes ‘no’ when she sees him because she knows. She knows that this will only break her heart.

Yet she can’t help, but want him around anyway. As painful as she knows it will be, she still loves him, and it’s impossible to always avoid those we love.

It was a powerful episode. Despite it’s context, the reactions were brutally realistic. I don’t think this show would have even gotten past the radar if it didn’t involve a vampire, an ice wizard, and a magic crown. Which makes me sad in a way because there was just something so relieving to see that situation portrayed so realistically. To have something hit so close to home helped to soothe the pain, to know that others really did feel the same way.

Even know, I’m not sure what I hope more for Adventure Time. A part of me doesn’t want the Ice King to remember, because at this time, such a thing can’t happen in real life. It’s sad, but it’s real.

But another part of me wants to see the Ice King be able to remember Marceline again, for them to have a happy ending that. Because it can’t happen in real life. And sometimes it’s nice to see that fantasy happen, even if it’s only in stories.

Either way, I’ll still be watching Adventure Time. It’s not often that there’s a series that respects kids enough to know that they might still run into the problems of real life, even if TV won’t show it to them.